that's different than here, as you know. >> right, but the issue still has to be litigated under the presidential records with respect to whether these records have any aspects of privilege that they're entitled to, and that has to be determined. >> privilege is a separate issue. just for the audience, if you look up the case, it's m-a-z-u-r and it actually reaffirmed congress' oversight role in these matters. now, in terms of privilege, i don't see this as a very deep well. we've never had a former president exercise privilege. it has been established in law that this is a privilege that goes with the office for the benefit of the republic. >> that's not right, chris. you need to read gsa versus nixon -- >> oh, i've read it. >> -- which unequivocally says that former presidents are entitled to claim the privilege. now, whether it applies or not is a separate issue. >> exactly. but you're being clever. >> they're entitled to claim