pierce and i'll say this because it's the truth and we have the bills to back it up -- was billing this kid at 1,200 bucks an hour for going out and buying a shirt for him, for taking his family to breakfast or lunch. it's ridiculous. and there might be some attorney somewhere on the earth that's worth $1,200 an hour, it's not john pierce. >> now, look, one of the things that didn't come out tonight and it didn't come out for a bad reason. it has nothing to do with your client, it has nothing to do with you, but it does have to do with the situation and the venue. lynn wood is a suspicious character because he has been peddling the same kind of trumpy rigged election stuff as the guy who interviewed your client tonight. and does that concern you at all about what it attaches an 18-year-old to? >> well, i mean, kyle had the common sense and good judgment to get away from lynn wood, and