there and you focus on isis first and martin o'malley saying the same thing and going after hillary clinton in terms of wanting to be too hukish, in terms of her vote on the iraq war, as well. so a lot of differences there. i want to go back a bit to data gate. i wonder if it really is over, right? the bernie sanders campaign has, i think, really been brilliant with this. the they were in the wrong. they turned it all around and, really, became the victim in this and raised $1 million over this. >> they became the victim because the democratic national committee cut them off from their own files and acted -- >> was that would debbie wasserstrom? >> of course it is. i think it was the wrong thing to do, but i also think it was somehow suggested it was going to help hillary clinton, that was the exact wrong thing to do. >> was debber wasserman schultz stipulating the scales in favor of hillary clinton? >> well, i think the real