automatically be enrolled, you would have to opt out, not opt in. his opt in approach means that millions of people, 10 million people, would be left uncovered. so, then -- >> i get your point, secretary, without getting too in the weeds, i don't think that that's the way he articulated it, but we can look at the transcript any time you want. i think that he was saying it was need-based. so, didn't know that you had him on the substance, but i'm asking you about the style of it. you can disagree. you made a crack at him not h e having a good memory about it. >> what i said, he said the words buy in, and he denied it, and i said, look, two minutes ago -- >> why do you think the crowd went ooh? why do you think they said that? >> look, this was a disagreement about health care policy. i respect the vice president, i think that he's, obviously, an accomplished and fine candidate