failure for the withdrawal, no question about it. the president was a little equivocal on whether or not he would embrace the afghan allies in the extension of that deadline, he sort of suggested he would but make it conditional. we'll have to see how quickly they can round up some of those people, they say they're processing 500 people an hour into the kabul airport but many of those are far from the airport who have to get to the airport. it's not clear that they can. the taliban said they would give safe passage but the proof will be in the results. >> absolutely. kirsten, if biden thought this withdrawal was going to be chaotic, he never really indicated that to the american people, quite the opposite. this is what he said, and then we'll talk. >> we'll do it responsibly, deliberately and safely. it's a rational drawdown with our allies and it's making -- so there's nothing unusual about it. the drawdown is proceeding in a secure and orderly way,