whether people on the gop or the dem's side think democracy is under attack and it's fragile and all of that. we all need to understand it is the gop, primarily through lying and deception and various things including what happened in the last election and actually throughout the trump presidency, is they are the source of it. and so, in order to confront that truth is the best antidote for where we are today but we have a segment of the population that seems unwilling to hear that truth. >> is that why people are fighting tooth and nail not to have the truth of the country and the history taught in schools because they want to live in a delusion? >> well, you know, it -- it's funny, don, because you know this with people you interact with. there is a natural human tendency, which is called confirmation bias, which is to seek out information that confirms your own bias and ignore information that makes you uncomfortable. which is why we hardly ever have race conversation because it makes certain people uncomfortable to have the conversation because they have to confront their own biases and