and this was hook and crook. and he had hooks and crooks around him from giuliani to eastman, all up and down he brought in these people who were willing, along with him, to goad him and get him to accept these preposterous notions. >> yeah. listen. there were some very vivid examples of what was happening of the description of what was going on inside the white house and while trump was acting. in the book "peril," they describe a tense oval office meeting on january 5th where trump continued to pressure pence to overturn the election. they could hear maga supporters cheering and chanting outside. this is what he said. if these people say you had the power, wouldn't you want to, trump asked? i wouldn't want any one person to have that authority, pence said. but wouldn't it be almost cool to have that power, trump asked? that's according to woodward and costa. no, pence said. he went on. i have done everything i could