meaning beyond it's physical state but it's an object and defacing it doesn't damage the message of the meaning. in fact, in this case, it amplified it. >> agree. >> gave definition to the meaning. >> agreed. i knew when we talked about it and i first read about it and it was eerected, i said wait, let' see how long this is vandalized, sure enough, quickly. it shows the significance of the art artwork. it's been a year since tens of thousands of americans came out to protest police violence. is this a sign of how far we need to go, chris? >> absolutely. i ct illustration but what is remarkable about yesterday is when it did happen, of course, i was -- i had to do a double take because it happened before. i walked that road before.