as well, having talked to her -- at that point in time, he was pretty much washing his hands of the pandemic and saying that anything bad that happened wasn't his fault. as you look through that summer and that fall, he hardly paid the pandemic any attention, including when he, himself, got sick. so it really was usurping, just giving up his responsibility that he'd been elected to just protect the american public. >> the fda's vaccine advisory board voted 17-0 with one abstention to recommend emergency use authorization for pfizer's covid vaccine for children 5 to 11 years old. the fda is expected to take up that recommendation. and this means that as soon as next week, around 28 million kids ages 5 to 11 could be eligible. vaccinating kids that age, is that the last hurdle to get out of this pandemic? >> i don't know if it's the last hurdle, but it's a day that we've been waiting for for a long, long time. many, many parents are going to