conver conversations, there were c conversations without the lead agency being aware. communication, whether it happens to be the school or prosecutors and police has to be regular and constant and that's what makes it work. >> okay. sheriff, thank you for that. listen, you had no idea, you never heard anything about this $4,000, right? that's what your saying? >> correct. >> okay. sheriff, thank you. i appreciate you joining us and best of luck finding them, again, i really appreciate you joining us and we'll get to the bottom of who is responsible and all of that but i hope you find them. >> we'll catch them. that will be in the past and they will be held accountability. >> thank you, sheriff. appreciate it. joining me now, oakland county prosecutor karen