puzzle. it was a lot of things that had to happen. there was the plan itself, the relentless pressure on then-vice president mike pence to throw out electoral votes even though he had no power to do that and to overturn the election. we've learned the committee wants to talk to mike pence about that, and he is keeping the door open for that. and in the letter to kevin mccarthy the committee makes it clear they think the former white house chief of staff, mark meadows, had advance knowledge. another quote here. in advance of january 6th you explain to mark meadows and the former president objection to the certification of electoral votes on january 6 was doomed to fail. this one, though, is just beyond, because this one is -- these are the fake electoral college certificates. that we have learned were sent