confront. this is willful ignorance. this is not oh my god, i just don't understand it, it's too complicated. no. what's too complicated is to acknowledge your whiteness, your privilege, your perspective. the shades through which you view the world and the ways in which whiteness provides a kind of lens through which we view -- >> listen, do they know better than that? we all speak for a living. that's what i do for a living. at times you screw up. so i like to give people grace when they speak for a living. especially he has a podcast. i'm not sure how long it is or how long he goes. you're just speaking off the cuff. but one would think you'd do your research if you're talking about topics this important. but do they know better or are they just speaking to the people in their audience and just sort of capitalizing on that thinking that's what they want to hear? do you understand what i'm saying? >> sure, absolutely. and i don't think those things