when black americans are still dealing with the legacy of jim crow and enslavement and systemic oppression. and yet race is a social construct. and it shows up differently in different societies. and so, again, if we look back to germany, the nazis believe that they were the master race and jews were a subhuman race. >> jews an inferior race. that's what they believed. >> and they waged a wore of extermination against the jewish people because of this belief in race. that's undeniable. it's what happened. >> i want to get through a lot here. and i don't want to be rude. but i just want to get through a lot because i have a lot of questions to ask you, because i do think this is a teachable moment. you said you stand in support of whoopi because of her history, but you don't support the words the way she said it. i think there can be nuance there. let's start there. we spoke with you last night. this is after whoopi issued the statement, the apology. that was before her previously