intervene in chauvin's use of unreasonable force. is referring to a colleague an excuse? >> i don't think it is. we're seeing blame shifting, right? they're trying to make derek chauvin the responsible party and relieve themselves of any responsibility to what happened on that day, the day we know chauvin kneeled on george floyd's neck. one, blame it all on derek chauvin who's not going to be on trial because he's pled guilty, and the second strategy is blame it on the minneapolis police department. a big part of their defense is that they were not trained properly and that the training they did receive was consistent with the actions that were taken on that day. and i just don't think either of those arguments are going to be winning arguments for these defendants. >> tao said that using a knee to restrain a suspect was commonplace in the minneapolis police department. is that significant if he