something inappropriate was going on when shourg with a boy. you may remember that was the center of a lot of this, was what assistant coach mike mcqueary said he saw and heard in the shower. here's a portion of sandusky's interview with filmmaker john ziegler whether aired on nbc "today." >> i don't understand how i would have walked into that locker room where he was and heard sounds associated that was sex going on. i mean, you know, like you said, i mean there was -- that would have been the last thing i would have thought. i would have thought maybe fooling around or something like that. >> "outfront," former prosecutor wendy murphy and ann bremmer. hearing him laugh there when talking about sex with a boy, i mean that was just disturbing even to just listen to that.