forget the judge's rationale. even dean's rationale, does it add up that the name would be some insipient child abuse? >> well, a worm hole has opened in the universe yet again in that i agree with michael. >> i was -- >> the judge -- the judge is clearly overreaching here. you know, sadly there is no law against being an idiotic parent, erin. and you know, i don't know -- did they think that would come some second coming panic in the state? i'm not really sure. but i think that it is overreaching. you know, i think that we're a country that has a ban on certain baby names. and listen, if we're going to start, let's start with caleb. that is so pretentious. >> i'm sure we all have names we want to ban. the kid we all hated growing up. you can't imagine ever naming it that. what about, you know, are there any names that would be appropriate to ban? by the way, talk about this --