help at least do no harm and stay out of the way of real dip lotmatic efforts in progress. >> you have to admit this incident with dennis rodman has gotten north korea back in the news, your brother's story back in the news probably more so than if he had not gone. what do you think is next for your brother's case? >> we are thankful for the outpouring of public support as well as the prominent americans speaking out on kenneth's behalf including governor richardson and senator mccain. we don't know of anything specific in the works but we are hoping the attention to his plight will bring some real diplomatic efforts in progress to bring kenneth home now. it has been far too long. >> terri chung we always appreciate your time. thank you for joining us here on cnn. >> thank you for having me. still to come a major ruling about the so-called thug baby's future. plus a major heroin epidemic