clarence thomas started that. he grew up in, you know, an era where he was -- his race was impugned as a blackman. my parents dwru up in that era. my father was the only black male to integrate his medical school class when he went to dental school and he helped the white kids study. they got better grades than him, but he didn't let that hold him back. what i'm saying is i think this conversation about race, i think a lot of people are making a lot of money off of calling people racist. it's like the big shame shakedown that's going on. so when racism really occurs, which we know it still happens, i've been a victim of racism, we don't really see it. that's honest. >> in a new day we have to have a new conversation. >> exactly. >> it's all about pointing the finger so many times. "out front" next, paula deen attempting a comeback.