through the wall, what cut through the pipe. i do agree with you that it does look -- that looks like a clean cut into that steam pipe. to do that with a hacksaw blade is difficult. i'm not saying it can't be done. but, again, this is where they will have to corroborate whatever sweat is saying as to how they got out and what happened. all of it has to go back to the criminal activity. >> paul i spoke to david sweat's mother last night. everyone has a mother. she loves her son. she blamed joyce mitchell. here is how she put it. >> i feel to this day that if this woman and whoever else was involved didn't give them the stuff, those guise wouldn'tys wouldn't have broke out of jail. they wouldn't have had nothing to do it with. you know i will blame them as well as the two guys. >> her son is a psychopath and nar