deliberation about this whole matter. collectively we're going to have to grapple with this very grave decision, its weighting and it's going to get hard and it's hard in proportion to its importance to our great republic, a republic, if we can keep it. i yield back, mr. chairman. >> mr. jordan. >> thank you, mr. chairman. >> in the now famous transcript, president trump said this, i heard you had a prosecutor and he was shut down. that's really unfair. just for clarification, do you believe trump was talking about lucinco or shulkin. >> shul kin. you had issues with colonel venman's judgment, is that right? >> it is, sir.