contending to face president trump in 2020? >> i wouldn't agree with that. >> you disagree. it's your testimony -- >> it's too early. >> that president trump did not view president biden to be a legitimate contender? >> i don't know what he believed or didn't believe. it's too early. >> this is a basic fact. in every single poll joe biden was the run away front-runner. >> he didn't say the leading contender. he said a leading con tenter. i happen to be covering president trump during this time when he was tweeting about joe biden on a regular basis talking to reporters about him regular i ly, attacking him regularly. you could literally, as long as you weren't under a rock, you were aware the president thought joe biden was the guy that he was likely to be up against or one of them, it was unbelievable. if you look on his face, it's