you know, occurred with him. so they all want to play to the primary base. and they are convinced that if you push vaccination, it's going to harm you politically. >> and it's amazing because in these same states, you know, governor abbott, right, to go to school, there is all kinds of mandates and, you know, for vaccines of -- of many types. and -- and governor abbott doesn't stand in the way of that. i mean, i guess they are just betting that people are not going to care? or are not going to be smart enough to notice that and call out the hip ypocrisy? >> i don't think they are playing long ball. i think it's a -- it's a -- it's a short game that they are playing to appease primary voters and they'll worry about the general election later. look. i don't know if those primary challenges that governor abbott faces are for real. i don't know if they really imperil him but it seems to me he doesn't want to take any risks. and as long as ron desantis, over in florida, keeps doing what he's doing, i think abbott will respond in kind. >> right. and of course, now, then there is the distinction, right, between being for letting