um, we are piecing together what we know and what we still need to find out. and then, we will make a decision on whether to invite mike pence in or not. i served with mike pence when he was in the house, and i know that chairman thompson did, as well. we're respectful of the office of the vice president and the office of the president. but we also know that we have to go wherever this leads us. so, a decision hasn't been made but we are going to get all the facts. >> so, jeffrey clark, the justice department official who helped trump try to overturn the election, drafted a lot of the legal arguments for that. appeared before your committee yesterday. i understand it was a couple of hours, and he pleaded the fifth more than 100 times to your questions. did he answer anything? and if not, are you gonna hold him -- i mean, obviously, you already voted to hold him in contempt but are you going to go ahead and refer that to the justice department? >> well, it's worth knowing that