persistent enough. they should go into action in ukraine and right now he's criticizing hard calling him a paper minister admitting he has no experience whatsoever and the operation is a disaster and saying the ukrainian leadership is a lot more professional than the russian military leadership. so, yes, he's not -- i mean, the guy is not acting alone. he has a lot of military veterans behind him and moreover i'm pretty sure he's controlled by the president's -- by certain people in the president's administration, the president's office. so he represents the party of war who is very strictly against shoygu and who does want it. >> fascinating and so significant that you saw it. thank you so much, stanislav.