likely that the pakistani government knew about bin laden. what do you think pakistan's role will be once we start pulling out? they're going to try to fill that vacuum probably. >> i think it's already clear they're determined to see a resurgence of the taliban. they're supporting them. they're encouraging them. there's been a spade of attacks. i was in kabul two days ago. we had suicide bombing almost every day that i was there in the last week. and that's all coming from pakistan. they're all going in. that's clearly what needs to be looked at very strongly because the pakistanis have not finished their war and what they want is through a proxy force to dominate affairs in afghanistan and they're going to continue. >> that of course, is the taliban for pakistan. >> the taliban. >> and actually al qaeda have shown they were protecting and hiding bin laden. al zawahiri who took over as