and now it's an abnormal on top of an abnormal and they have got a real tough situation on their hands. but once again, it's conjecture, i don't know. but i still assert from the very beginning that they were dealing with some sort of problem. >> fran, you still think, you still look obviously at the terrorism angle or sabotage angle, some sort of human involvement here. the questions i've had, and we talked about this before the program, is if it did land somewhere, wouldn't somebody's cell phone on that plane once it was back on land, near you would assume some sort of radar installations, at least be able to be tracked or make some sort of -- unless all the phones were somehow taken? >> right. you've got to -- what does that scenario look like? what are the facts that you need for that to be so? you'd need a runway that's at least a mile long to be able to land it. you'd have to be able to hide it. before you landed that aircraft, you would have to either have confiscated the cell phones of everybody on board, likely somebody would have secreted one or you would have had to have killed everybody on board before