and russ became the coo, chief operating officer. but the problem was they were both competing to be the ceo, the one in control of the . >> colin had very clear ideas about what he wanted to create in the world. and his ambition was to appreciate culture, right? to build the next version of television. that's a gargantuan undertaking. so i think he felt the pressure to try to live up to that. he was an awesome collaborator. he was also really challenging. i mean, it was not a picnic to work with colin. he had strong ideas. he was not shy about sharing his ideas. he drove the people who worked for him incredibly hard, and you know, he didn't suffer fools. he was a total pain in the ass .