we earned our income so we could consume while we were on this planet. we always were self-supporting, which a lot of entities that were in our position might not be. >> at the time, there weren't that many people who were heavily into computers, as far as going out and making money. one of the early members, rkkody, chuck humphrey -- he actually had a computer shop, and it was probably one of the very first computer shops, way back in the '70s. he introduced people to computers. a lot of it was self-taught. >> there was a core group who were computer people, and so they had the kind of 9 to 5 jobby jobs, and they would leave the warehouse every day. >> about half the group worked outside the class to bring in funds after the trust fund ran out. >> we had pretty good tasks at that point, working, you know,