>> when we were younger, i used to hate you. you used to steal my clothes. >> you had such nice things. >> "soap," i think, was so raw. >> what do you people drink? >> you mean new yorkers? we drink -- >> no, no, homos. >> we drink your basic heterosexual drinks. >> there was something very delicious about the gayness of billy crystal's character. it was like mainstream television. wow, this is actually happening. this is actually real. >> if you look back at it now, there were moments that were incredibly sensitive, and it was an important character. >> i mean, you hate me because i'm gay, right? >> well -- >> i guess if you need a reason, that's a good one. >> burt, it's a terrible reason. i mean, look at me. i'm a person. >> i do think that people watching that character thought for the first time about the possibility of gay men being real people.