undermining their democracy and our democracy. now, what they need to do is put people in the witness chair who can say with more -- direct knowledge that the president was the master mind of this scheme. it is he who's responsible for this and therefore should be held accountable. they have not yet gotten to that. that's defense of the republican rested which proved this the president. ron and i have said it is impossible that it was not the president. they can tell we have a little bit more direct evidence that the president was the puppet master here. the public is not yet going to move in favor of removal. >> the white house is preventing those people from testifying which is an ongoing threat in this. listen, democrats have to figure out how to deal with it if the judge does not rescue them.