could mean for that continent. speaking to european diplomats both here and in europe, everybody's saying, this is basically triggering memories of world war ii and i've heard people say, this is our 9/11 moment, because they never thought -- this is a world war ii-style war happening in the same areas where world war ii happened. and so they're horrified. that's why you're seeing such a unified europe. why they're sending lethal weapons to ukraine and advertising it. but at the same time they're really hoping to contain it so it doesn't cross into nato, which would become a wider war. >> also saying to ukraine, no, we're not going to fast track you into the eu or into nato. i mean -- >> no, we're not going to have a no-fly zone. >> no no-fly zone. almost seems two options.