adding less, but by way of context, $3.5 trillion, like there's two comparison points and would i say one of them is two decades of war in iraq and afghanistan. we know that's somewhere in the ballpark of $2 trillion and the other is the 2017 republican donald trump tax cut. just a little bit north of $2 trillion so even if you took half of what the democrats are swinging for the fences on it would be at once massive and substantial and also comparable to what republicans have done in recent years to increase the debt ceiling projections so i think somewhere in that space is where a negotiation would happen. if anyone was in the mood to negotiate, but like the water just hasn't boiled yet. we're looking at the clock thinking, okay, and it's not a real deadline the way -- the way the shutdown is a real deadline. that's midnight tonight and it's the end of the fiscal year and, you know, everything turns into a pumpkin. the only reason today is a deadline for the infrastructure stuff is because that was