case in georgia. travis mcmichael's attorney just giving the defense closing argument, one of three that will be made today. mr. sheffield spoke for about an hour and 20 minutes saying travis mcmichael in his view, trying to convince the jury, had every right to follow ahmaud arbery back in the neighborhood in february of 2020 and then making case that he had the right to open fire when he believed he was under attack. let's talk about what we were, jennifer rogers, carol i'm polisi, criminal defense attorney. the first defense close and two more to come after the lunch break came after a very passionate case by the prosecutor. she made the case, that no, they had no right that. there was no crime committed by mr. arbery, there was no evidence of that, no right to chase him down in the neighborhood and no right to use force against him. did the defense attorney in your view out of the box deliver a strong rebuttal? >> welling right of the box, john, i thought the defense