is not just about what happened at the capitol on that day. >> certainly not, john, right? there has been a desire to better understand some of the root causes of what led to january 6th itself. i will say, though, i have been struck by, i think, the movement we've seen in terms of the january 6th committee and its entire to figure out what exactly transpired and hold people accountable. you have this counternarrative going on on the republican side where we heard from president trump over the weekend suggesting that if he were in charge, he would be pardoning these rioters. that the vice president had the power to potentially overturn, incorrectly, the election. so there are these dual narratives that continue to exist in our political consciousness at this moment. >> lisa, that was a ron burgundy moment. i read the teleprompter. i knew where you were. that one is on me. your newspaper today has a fascinating story. we've learned over the last couple of weeks some amazing new