president. >> that's right. also, i've been speaking to ukrainian officials. i'll get to that in a moment. here's what ukraine's president as ju has just said in a public statement. quote, we do not exclude that the plane was shot down a. the interior minister has gone further on record. he has said that the plane was indeed shot down. i'll tell you, i just spoke with officials in the foreign ministry of ukraine in kiev. and from the foreign minister, i have this comment. quote, it is clear as day, they have been hunting our planes for weeks. it is clear as day, meaning that this was shot down, by their accusation, by pro-russian separatists. so you have the president there making something of a broad statement that they do not exclude that the plane was shot down, but other ukraine officials going much further. and one there referencing in those very stark terms, anderson, "they have been