where banditos were allegedly involved in those biker wars. you and i can argue until we're blue in the face, just because you put on a jacket doesn't mean you're a criminal but you can't tell me it is all hollywood and that bikers are gentle souls. >> i will tell you at the end of last year i filed a writ challenging the texas gang statutes and we had a hearing on the writ and presented evidence that showed in the last five years in houston, texas where there was majority of banditos. [ overlapping speakers ] >> the founder was convicted of murder. >> in 1960 -- something. >> you said there was never a conviction of this and the founder was convictd. >> i never said that. i said federal prosecutions,