night was 10.7 million, and so we are talking about 5 million more than that and it is only october. so it is not just donald trump that is getting americans interested in politics here, but it is the campaign on both sides of the aisle. >> and not just the carnival barking, because some people would have said that is the reason. and last night, martin o'malley called donald trump a carnival barker and worse, a moderate, and now does it require foolishness to be interesting? >> well, donald trump and many people who like him think that he is being foolish, but bernie sanders is -- >> sorry, ben, i have to disagree with you when you call a woman her face something that is not fit for office, that is foolish. >> i am not saying that there are things that donald trump has said and i have criticized him for those comments right here on c nshgs nsh cnn, but when he is talk thing