i think he said it wasn't responsive. the instructor who apparently is in command of the flight didn't say that. the trainee said something about that. so there's a discrepancy here. maybe there's a problem with the autothrottle. and 345ib that explains why something went so wrong on this beautiful clear kay. that's the first time we heard about the potential of a mechanical problem. >> let's also talk about the flight record. the pilot behind the controls was halfway through his training on the 777 with ten legs under his belt, 35 hours on that plane. on top of that, the pilot who is supposed to be his instructor, this is the first time that he was working as an instructor. what do those two things tell you? does that surprise you? >> yes, now that both of those facts, both of those training positions are shockingly inadequate. first of all when they say he's thrown ten legs. he didn't say trips. i think hersman was very clear