as well. >> and it's just when you say taking a hard look, it suggests a process rather than conclusion. but wouldn't you agree, the information, if true, should have been enough to have the clearance pulled? >> i think it's very easy to do this in hindsight, when you look back and the aggregate of this young man's naval career, trouble with the law, it's easy to draw the conclusion, yes, probably something should have been done or said differently. when you look at it in time as it happened, none of these incidents on their own, individually would lead anybody to indicate that he was going to be a threat to himself or others. >> well, the defense secretary, chuck hagel says something went wrong. there were red flags. is he right? >> absolutely he's right. clearly something went wrong and there were red flags. looking back on it, it's easy to