it wasn't being pompous, of course, it was his sense of purpose. that's what i want to ask for you, perspective on, we hear about his gentility, his amazing ability to forgive. talk about the fire within this man, the forcefulness, the passion, the fierceness that he brought to what he thought was right. >> it's a miracle that nelson mandela was the one who led us out of apartheid in south africa, because he was the one who said i'm not going to treat the whites as they treated us. he says we're all one, south africa. we're all south africans. and that was the greatest miracle that ever happened. his commitment was strong. if you looked and talked to him, he always talked about others in the movement. he never accepted the credit. every time i was in his presence and i would say to him how much i admired him and all the great things that he did and accomplished, he says, no, it was not me. i was not alone. there were many, many others. but the other important principle was that he believed