nobody's saying that, including in that article. it just -- it raises a lot of questions. you know, i've said before, the malevolence to what could be government incompetence, in the document retrieve l systems, we fail to pick up relevant documents. i think they need to explain -- >> because they certainly should learn from this. >> what's your big take away, though? >> i think people have got to understand, the fbi's capabilities now are quite different. they have more sources, they've prevented attacks, they've disrupted attacks, they've got better access inside these organizations. whatever the problems were going back 21 years ago to 1993, the fbi is a much stronger and more capable organization now. >> and a lot of those changes came because of nguyen. >> absolutely. here's something you don't