one we've heard about there is an obvious physical manifestation of the trauma. here, the kid walks away. no burn marks on his arms. does it make you think there has to be a variable right now that we don't know about, something was warm, he was somehow insulated, he had found his way into some different compartment? >> yeah. absolutely. i think that -- those would be much more logical assumptions. we haven't heard that for sure. but if he were in that wheel well alone, is there a possibility he could have still survived? the answer seems to be yes. again, based on what we know the medical science and previous cases like this. >> something about it. something about this that makes me think even in ones where it's happened before like that really amazing one you just showed us of that woman with her heart. there's been such obvious signs of this stress. you know, as opposed to this kid saying, i passed out. then he's eating meatballs and drinking water and having cookies and walking around.