time to go back and look for clues and talk to people and gather human intelligence. it is absolutely impossible that a crime like this could have been committed without somebody knowing about it. now, whether the crime is covering up some honest i manic tas, not honest mistakes but mistakes around incompetence or sleeping on the job, or whether the crime is having done something bad, i don't have -- i mean, i don't know. but, you know, for sure, there's no way that the sequence of events could have happened without some orchestration. >> so, sarah, these experts and the information you have and the -- have you taken this concern straight to anybody, to the malaysians, the australians, do you get anywhere with them when you say to them this isn't the direction we believe and we want you to look at what we have found? what do they say to that? >> of course we've brought it to