came on national television lied about what they were doing and how they were doing it? >> i didn't hear the interview, i don't know what he said, but i certainly do not believe that officials were told of the extent of this program. as i know it. >> the extent, is that giving cover to officials? or do you think what they weren't told was material and relevant? >> well you know, you have to go back to even how the derivative product they got out of this. i mean there was no research done into what the effective way to interrogate a detainee was, because we had done this for years, the fbi, joint task forces, had been for years interrogating terrorists and eliciting accurate and reliable information. when the c.i.a. got this report, i have no idea where they got the idea that these techniques would be efficient to elicit accurate information. >> i've had people from all corners of the military come to me and say stop acting like this