the fact that he seems to be very ill, you know we might not get to a trial. >> you think he's ill because he seems very frail. he has all of these tics. he definitely seems frail. >> we always have tics he always talked to himself. he always bumped in public even when he was a young, dashing handsome guy hanging out at elaine's. so that's not new. at all. but yeah he -- he does look very ill and his lawyer said he had some kind of neurological surgery. >> so you think that he is not just a cold calculating psychopath. you think there may be some heart in there. and now at 71 years old, this is his chance to do the right thing? >> yeah. i hope. >> that would be fascinating. that would be a fascinating -- >> i don't think dick deguerrin is going to go for that though. >> that's his lawyer. >> yes. >> lisa depaulo thank you very