thrashing around. i think he hurt himself. strong? >> no that's not strong at all. we don't know how that statement was taken from that person. i think we should really be looking at did the officers hear that statement from him, or did they pull that statement out of him? if he heard something on the other side of the wall how can he know if he was thrashing himself against the wall or maybe there was just some noise that was happening on the other side. >> taking it at its best tom, at its best if he's thrashing around if he needs leg irons, how hurt could he have been when he got in the van? reasonable cause for speculation? >> i think that's reasonable chris. how can you thrash around if you're close to having a severed spine at the neck and a crushed windpipe. how could you be yelling or making other noises as was reported was the reason for pulling over to put leg shackles on him in the first place. so that raises that question. but i agree. we don't know yet. we don't know how that statement was taken. it's kind of additional hearsay being put out there at this point. >> but step by step what's the pushback to the, well he must