state? >> maggie says fees went up when hillary was secretary of state. >> has there been -- >> there's not really a quid pro quo. we connect these dots but there's no evidence of any action being taken directly or anything like that. there's just questions about appearances and his thing is you know appearance is whatever doesn't matter. >> part of you has to wonder if the republicans are and critics of the clintons are sort of baiting them to see how angry they can get. because bill and hillary are saying prove it prove it draw the connections. hillary clinton saying no one has ever given me money or given him money in a way that has influenced a change of policy. >> that's right. >> bill clinton when he got in trouble seemed like when his temple temper was flaring or causing dissension in her campaign in 2008. what was striking in that interview is he was definitely getting frustrated with cynthia mcfadden. if they can bring that out even more it's the kind of thing