bottom. now, why is something like that so important? what does it really mean? >> that means you're claiming that state as your state or your territory. >> to do what? >> to be the top echelon of the biker world for that state. it's not really to control drugs or criminal activity it's just to be the biggest man on the block. it's to say this is ours. >> but if it's not about money or crime or anything like that then what is there to the ownership? >> they like war. they like participating in war. they like acts of violence. and they want to just be able to say this is our state and we stopped any other motorcycle gang from coming into our territory. >> what is the word about how big this is how serious this is? >> well any time a biker gang war starts it never stops.