we are talking evangelicals here, more than anything else, he is about the opposite of what they would want on paper and yet they are choosing first to synthesize. >> i think there's something about his willingness to be incorrect. and i think in the poll, the fact that a majority of republican voters being concerned about illegal immigration, that has to be of great concern to the rest of the republican party. because i think that even if trump does inevitably falter, he will have changed the shape of the race by forcing other candidates to go through immigration in a way that could harm them in a general election. >> if i can jump in here for a second, the evangelicals in iowa, this is a big deal. what ben carson said yesterday is going to be the most interesting attack on him. we'll see if it works or not, but social conservatives, evangelicals in the iowa caucuses, very important. that's who ben carson was