i have people stop me and say, listen, don't say i'm afraid. i'm not afraid. i have concerns about people attacking us. they seem to channel that the rebuff of donald trump is a rebuff of them, that he is literally the -- you know, the physical embodiment of how they feel. they feel they are him. i know that boggled the mind at first. the guy is a billionaire. >> magnate. >> they talk to you as if they are saying what donald trump says. they don't want to be invalidated. that's a tricky spot if you don't like where they are. >> you're exactly right. people have internalized this. an attack on trump can be an attack on a lot of conservative voters. if you're a working class white voter who, it used to be you could graduate high school, get a job at a factory, make $15 an hour, you could have a middle-class life for your